i mean you're talking big numbers then. and you had erskin bowles, democrat, he headed up the president's deficit and debt commission. he says if you just do $2 trillion that is not going to solve the big problem for the markets. it's an interesting problem. jon: yeah, and looking at the building over your shoulder there it doesn't seem like there are a lot of, i don't know, real winners coming out of this at this point. i don't see any real winners in the white house unless, i don't know, maybe somehow they come to some agreement that makes everybody happy, but it seems like nobody is happy right now. who are the winners and losers as this arguing goes on? >> reporter: no, this has not been a profile of courage these past few weeks. and to be honest with you, if you start looking at polls about antiincumbent feeling, this could be the biggest antiincumbent election coming up, throw both of them out, you know, the blame could go both sides -- jon: a pox on both your parties. >> reporter: that's exactly. that's the feeling,